2004-09-30 [Lioness123]: have a good night, hobitz

2004-09-30 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: ahhh, that was a fun night...

2004-10-01 [dr]: so do i get cake? :D

2004-10-01 [Lioness123]: of course! Help yourself.

2004-10-01 [dr]: ^______^ *munches on cake w/ fingers* lack of forks are a good thing!

2004-10-01 [Lioness123]: especially when eating spagetti ;P

2004-10-01 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: i want cake

2004-10-01 [rocker reject]: i want cupcakes

2004-10-01 [HellzHalo426]: ooohhh! i missed the party...

2004-10-02 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: cupcakes mmmmm...i'm actually trying to eat healther...i haven't had a soda in about three weeks, i'm quite proud, and my sweets are limited as well....but i still have a sweet tooth no matter what

2004-10-02 [Lioness123]: pepsi is my true love...I will always drink it, no matter how hard I try to quit.

2004-10-02 [prairierose]: hi guys, I'd just like to point out that of course it wasn't Adam and Steve, because the point of Adam and Eve was to reproduce and create the human race. So, that's kind of a dumb argument, because that doesn't fit modern scenarios at all. More gay couples today means less orphans and less abortion and more adoption.

2004-10-02 [connor's left elftown]: go prairierose!!

2004-10-02 [Lioness123]: I can't even imaging how much having two mommies or two daddies would mess up a kid....I'm sorry if that makes you mad, but I seriously believe that.

2004-10-02 [dr]: oh that poor child..."Billy has two daddies! Billy has two daddies!" The child would never hear the end of it on the playground...

2004-10-02 [Pale-Suzie]: mm, yeah, just having one mom and dad is enough to mess up most kids... sorry i think that a normal pair of parents can mess up a kid just as much as any couple of same sex parents...

2004-10-02 [fade_out]: i think this is a terrible place.why would you want to make a wiki..against gay marrage..having the same sex perents will not screw up a child...shame on all you people.who are so close minded.shame

2004-10-02 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: I think its terrible the direction this world has gone "I couldn't help it, I have a mental disorder" "I can't help it I'm born that way" "I can't help it, my mom abused me, my dad hit me, I was never hugged"...I think your somewhat of a hipocrit, pointing fingers at us and calling us close minded, have you read your post? you just accused us of being terrible people, calling us shamful. we're never going to stop standing up for something we believe in, your just going to have to get used to it

2004-10-02 [fade_out]: i dont mind the actuall opinion.as we all have our own differnt thoughts..but..i do disagree..with the length people have gone to to show..how much they dislike gays..as to make a huge wiki.yes..it is shameful..and terrible..and closeminded..

2004-10-02 [The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: well what about the huge wiki that was made to show gay support? isn't that shameful too?

2004-10-02 [fade_out]: no its not at all shameful..its showing that people are being supported..in what they are discriminated againsty..and it can giev them confidence..and is a good thing

2004-10-03 [HellzHalo426]: wooty! hello!1

2004-10-03 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: were not being shamefull, we too are showing support, you just don't like what we do

2004-10-03 [dr]: We are standing for our rights, just the same as gays are. Just because everyone doesn't like the same sex doesn't mean that we are not allowed to have oppinions, either

2004-10-03 [fade_out]: its discrimination!..having your opinion on wanting it to be illegal!....it has absolutly nothing to do with your "rights"..how in god name does it offend you..to have gay couples....what supposrt?..your all talking bullshit

2004-10-03 [dr]: I am not discriminating against gays. one of my friends are gay. This does not mean I hate him, it just means that I don't believe that what he is doing is right. Same as watching porn. the people can be good people, but I just don't believe that what they are doing is right.

2004-10-03 [HellzHalo426]: err... i hate this...

2004-10-03 [rocker reject]: the most powerfull empires have fallen when being gay was starting to be the norm..... and do we want america to fall from being the most powerfull country in the world?

2004-10-03 [HellzHalo426]: oh... *growls* .. i wont comment on that bcuz it was uncalled for..

2004-10-03 [rocker reject]: then don't comment at all...... if you don't have something nice to say then don't say anything at all

2004-10-03 [HellzHalo426]: do you have to be mean? .. i mean i talk on this wiki bcuz im friends with people on here.. so just bcuz im bi.. or other people are gay doesnt give u the rite to bash them

2004-10-03 [rocker reject]: i wasn't being mean i was just stating the facts

2004-10-03 [rocker reject]: and if i came off as being mean then i am sorry but i wasn't trying to be

2004-10-03 [HellzHalo426]: what proves that they are facts? there are plenty of other citys and states that have legalized gay marriage and they are fine!

2004-10-03 [rocker reject]: not cities and states.... complete empires.... what proves that they're not?

2004-10-03 [HellzHalo426]: nothing proves that facts are facts or facts are not facts so they should be useless and yes citys and states like in canada! they are completely fine

2004-10-03 [dr]: *slams head on table* it's like talking to a brick wall...no matter what anyone says, nobody's gonna listen.

2004-10-03 [dr]: oh goodness...Canada legalized gay marriage? no wonder...

2004-10-03 [levhole]: the spartans were the most powerfull millitary force of the time period, they were also encouraged to have homesexual tendancies, gay and power have no direct relationship

2004-10-03 [dr]: but then the Spartans fell

2004-10-03 [levhole]: because of over welming persian and athenian armies, not because they were gay

2004-10-03 [Lioness123]: *rests head on hands and awaits inevitable history lesson*

2004-10-03 [rocker reject]: also romans and greeks encouraged gay relationships and look how long they lasted.... they fell when they started to encourage it....

2004-10-03 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: good morning everyone *or afternoon, or night...depending on where you are* how is all?

2004-10-04 [Leelo]: HOWDYHOWDYHOWDYHOWDYHOWDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2004-10-04 [Leelo]: WOW alto went on while I was gone. Look everyone, i don't believe Gay marriages should be legolized. I am not discriminating, if you people would shut up and quit being so deffensive maybe you might would hear somehting!!!

2004-10-04 [Leelo]: But no you won't, because you don't let the ones who actually know somehting talk. Because your crying like little baby's!!! And everytime you hear that someone doesn't believe in gays marriages you automaticly think it's discrimination!! WELL GET THE HECK OVER IT!!!!! AND GET A LIFE FOR GOD SAKE!!!!!! STOP CRYING LIKE LITTLE BABYS CUZ YOUR HOMO FRIEND IS AROUND AND YOUR WANTING TO STICK UP FOR HIM!!!We that are supporters of this wiki are people who actually are not sick. GYAISM IS SICK!!! There is no way around that. A guy doin a guy!!! Now that is just sick, and girl doin a girl that is also sick! Makes me sick to my stomache!!! Right now I am treating you supports of the gay rights o

2004-10-04 [Leelo]: or whatever exactly how you treat me and others who don't support your gay rights or whatever!!!!

2004-10-04 [Leelo]: btw if all you homos and supporters of homos get your pannies in a wad over what I just said, just know that I don't care.

2004-10-04 [Leelo]: Because I am sick of hearing about all this discrimination crap!

2004-10-04 [Kurai Tenma]: Lol. I agree! And I also agree with the history lesson *point up* Every empire that encouraged homosexual relationships fell immediately after ENCOURAGING them. Same thing as allowing a gay marriage, if you ask me. Don't "redefine" marriage to fit your likings, becuase them people will "redefine" it so they can marry a horse! One thing leads to another... and it's all downhill when you rid yourself of morals.

2004-10-04 [Leelo]: I heard somewhere where this man got cought proposing to a pig....

2004-10-04 [Kurai Tenma]: Yeah, there's crazy stuff going on... It's all going downhill. No one cares anymore, it seems like. Very few.

2004-10-04 [Leelo]: Yeah, well maybe once this nation falls people will wake up and realize what has happened and why it has hapened. It wold be a shame that we let it fall before we realize out mistakes...

2004-10-04 [Kurai Tenma]: It won't fall. Too many good principles remain, and George Washington had a vision on it. And, I'm Christian, and the Bible says any nation that sides with Isreal will stand until the end of days, and we back Isreal on everything... we won't fall, but we're not pure. Tootles. I'm going to work.

2004-10-04 [Leelo]: Yeah I'm a christian too. I think this nation is going the same way ummm some nation that did in the bible...I can't remember what nation it was, ro where it was in the bible but I heard my dad preach on it.

2004-10-04 [Leelo]: I think it was Israel....maybe not...Can't remember, that was the night my friend kept whispering to me, so I couldn't hear my dad.

2004-10-04 [shadow_angel]: can i jion?

2004-10-04 [Leelo]: message [dfafadsfasdasf] and he'll add you

2004-10-04 [shadow_angel]: i did i didi...trust me

2004-10-04 [Leelo]: .........ok....A little overwhelmed are we??

2004-10-04 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: This is why i love my Cherokee friend....tell it like it is sista!!! people don't like it , tough, we don't like what they do either. theres no nice way around it when they come at us like were murdering babies or something horrid like that "oh you don't like gay marriages, your terrible, sick, wrong, mean people who should rot in hell" i mean, common, they are acting like children, and i'm sick of having to listin to it

2004-10-04 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: when was the last time any of us went onto a gay support sight and started wailing on them, spewing our beliefs at them like we had to prove something?

2004-10-04 [Pale-Suzie]: well no matter where you go somebody will yell at you... if you're a support who go here you'll have your head bit of (covers head) if you're against and go to the support you'll have your head bit of (after being called a lot of ugly names) if you fx support bush and go to the bush haters... same scenario... would help if we were all nice to eachother, but it's just to much to ask for really... there's just jerks on every wiki. *shrugs*

2004-10-04 [Leelo]: Wel we all have different beliefs as everyone here can tell. Yes maybe we are a little edgy about things, but theres reasons why. I have been bombarded so many times by people that it ain't funny no more. They whine to me as say why are like this why don't you support this or that? I mean I don't get to speak, but when i do I get words slapped in my mouth. And when people put words in my mouth that is when I get angry and begin to fight. Now that you think about it, there is where the problem lays. We all have a tendencey to slap words into people's mouths,and next thing you know it's blown all out of proportion. Look people i respect your differences, but please respect mine too, and

2004-10-04 [Leelo]: Respect this wiki, and we will repect yours.

2004-10-04 [ElizabethBathory]: [Leelo] right on :)

2004-10-04 [Leelo]: ^^'

2004-10-04 [levhole]: Pissed? You have every right to be!

2004-10-04 [Leelo]: umm ok.. What's this for??

2004-10-04 [levhole]: just venting about an attack on my friends houses and my wiki

2004-10-04 [Leelo]: Wow what happened??

2004-10-04 [levhole]: a guard deleted my wiki and the wiki of my friends, as well as deleted the contents of several of their houses, banning one of them

2004-10-04 [levhole]: Why? you ask, because we are know to have gone to highschool with a person who causes frequent problems on elftown... for the sins of a few the many will suffer

2004-10-04 [Lioness123]: hobitz, cherokee, *smiles and gives you guys a friendly slap on the back* You guys are my new best friends :P

2004-10-04 [Lioness123]: it does my heart good to know that rhere are some people on here that aren't afraid to speak their minds and stand up for what they believe in

2004-10-04 [Leelo]: Ok... (btw lioness lol)

2004-10-05 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: i love you guys ^___^ *group hug*

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: *huggles* (thinks to self, i think I'm the only one she's hugging...)

2004-10-05 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: and lioness

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: lol but I think I'm the only one here... YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2004-10-05 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: okay...hugz for you...and a reserved hug for miss lion

2004-10-05 [HellzHalo426]: ello!!

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: HOWDY!!! YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2004-10-05 [HellzHalo426]: hello!!

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: HOWDY!!!

2004-10-05 [HellzHalo426]: hows it goin?!

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: ok, you??

2004-10-05 [HellzHalo426]: splendid`1

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: o.o

2004-10-05 [HellzHalo426]: ^_^

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: o.o

2004-10-05 [HellzHalo426]: hee hee

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: o0

2004-10-05 [HellzHalo426]: woo

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: .....................................

2004-10-05 [HellzHalo426]: ^_^

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: O.O

2004-10-05 [HellzHalo426]: ^_^

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: O.o

2004-10-05 [HellzHalo426]: ^_^

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: ...............

2004-10-05 [HellzHalo426]: aww

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: .....

2004-10-05 [Lioness123]: aw...huggie! :p

2004-10-05 [Phoenix_Tiger]: hey...can i put my name up?

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: message [dfafadsfasdasf] and he'll put your name up.

2004-10-05 [Kurai Tenma]: 8B <-- Googly-eyed Bucktooth Smilie! *Pouts* No one laughs at my jokes anymore. I need new material.

2004-10-05 [Lioness123]: tell us a joke!

2004-10-05 [Kurai Tenma]: I'm as frustrated as a three-legged dog trying to bury a turd on an icy lake.

2004-10-05 [Kurai Tenma]: Actually, that was the truth, not a joke. Gimme a minute and I'll give you a good joke.

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: lol I thought turd was spelled terd...

2004-10-05 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: hi....i ate cheesesticks...now i'm sick....

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: I drunked some chocolate water and now I want water!!!

2004-10-05 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: mmm...that sounds good

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: ^^

2004-10-05 [Kurai Tenma]: right.... check this out 100 things to survive

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: umm ok...

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: lmao!!! Man that was interresting...

2004-10-05 [Kurai Tenma]: Thankees. I try hard. Was that a good enough joke, though it's obviously not mine?

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: lol it was for me *is still laughing*

2004-10-05 [Kurai Tenma]: good. I couldn't think of anything and I just heard that song for the 13 millionth time today.

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: lol ok'

2004-10-05 [Kurai Tenma]: school is boring...

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: yeah same ehre

2004-10-05 [Kurai Tenma]: I'm still in it until 8:15 here...

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: o.o wow...

2004-10-05 [Kurai Tenma]: Yeah. I'm here from 8 am to 8:15 pm, but only on tuesday and thursday. Mon and Wednesday are from 11am - 12 noon. Friday is off.

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: cool

2004-10-05 [Kurai Tenma]: Eh, college is wierd, but it's a lot easier than high school.

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: Yeah I am a junior in highschool

2004-10-05 [Kurai Tenma]: It gets better.

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: Yeah next year I graduate! YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2004-10-05 [Kurai Tenma]: Lol. When graduation comes, it won't be so excited. Real life halfway starts.

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: Trust me, i have been hit with real life long before anyhting. So I know...I used to have to work all night, and then hold up school...

2004-10-05 [Kurai Tenma]: Geez.... that horrid.

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: Yuppy I worked from 12am to 7 am so I never got the chance to do my hw and I sleeped after school and waked up before work and got ready for school and work, and packed my stuff and went to work, and when i got off word straight to school I wnet.

2004-10-05 [Kurai Tenma]: Man... I did that for a semester and said no way. I slept in class, did the very little homework I felt like doing in class, so it wasnt' a big deal. I just want time to myself, ya know?

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: Yeah well I did it for a year

2004-10-05 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: oh, i missed a bit

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: yuppy you did! Anyways! Howdy!!!

2004-10-05 [Kurai Tenma]: Nah, not too much. 'Tis fine. Hello.

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: *mutters* Actually you did...

2004-10-05 [Kurai Tenma]: Lol. I'm trying to be positive here!

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: lol well...never mind...Sorry

2004-10-05 [Kurai Tenma]: lol. Glad you see it my way. *sticks out tongue* lol.

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: I never caved in! I just said nevermind sorry!

2004-10-05 [Kurai Tenma]: lol. Sarcasm. Kinda like <sarcasm>I always win.</sarcasm>

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: hmmm Yeah and I am a loser!

2004-10-05 [Kurai Tenma]: You're getting the hang of it now.

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: Yeah whatever

2004-10-05 [Kurai Tenma]: What did I say???

2004-10-05 [Kurai Tenma]: actually it goes: I realize that I am the problem and though I do not as of yet know what I did, I would like the chance to go to my room and think about it.

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: Ok fine I'll go to my room and cry my eyes out! Because the one guy i was crushing, maybe even loved just GRRRR!!!! Doesn't matter....Why couldn't he had been a jerk! I am used to guys being total jerks to me! I don't know why I am so upset, i alt to be used to being turn down by every guy i like. But I dunno somethign wierd is going on this time... But anyways who cares! I don't anymore, I have totaly given up on guys and love! Maybe I am just one of them ugly girls who will never and I mean NEVER!!! find any guy whatso ever! But that's ok, as long as everyone else is happy, then i am! That's what I am here for to make people happy and watch them be happy, while inside I am wanting to jump

2004-10-05 [Leelo]: off a bridge! So I'll go to my room and cry!

2004-10-06 [Leelo]: BTW You maybe thinking I am some psyco freak girl, but I don't care, what people think of me.

2004-10-06 [Kurai Tenma]: No, the whole "go to my room and think about it" was my line to you. I'm sorry.. I made a boo-boo. Ah, now don't go crying about guys. You'll find the right one when the Lord sends him your way. Trust me, I wasted many years with people I shouldn't have. Now, I see things through a different light. I don't think I'm God's gift to women, so it's not like I think I'm the greatest looking guy ever. I've been where you're at, shoot, ask my g/f about it. She was there with me for 2 years. [Khronos Atmosphaera]

2004-10-06 [Leelo]: Ah it's ok, i didn't mean to jump on your case about this whole stupid thing. It doesn't really matter anyways. I'm sorry

2004-10-06 [Kurai Tenma]: Nah, you're no psycho freak. Just one of the people that isn't happy with their romantic relationships. I know how that goes. It'll be a'ight in God's time, not yours. And, I didn't take it offensively. No harm done. IT DOES MATTER! You're not happy and you need to be. sometimes, you just need to vent, and I'm okay with being the one you vent on. No biggie. ^^ Anytime.

2004-10-06 [Leelo]: Thanks....

2004-10-06 [Kurai Tenma]: No prob. Like I said, anytime. Gotta run though. You can message my house if need be.

2004-10-06 [Leelo]: btw I am stuck as some guys gf that I don't like and I am too scared to tell him I don't like him, because I am not wanting to hurt his feelings! So yeah, as longas people are happy, then I'll be miserable. (sorry I don't usually act like this, tonight just ain't my night, and everything is coming at me all at once)

2004-10-06 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: how do you become a gf withut your consent?

2004-10-06 [Leelo]: I became his gf when I liked him, and it was only cuz I thought i did, and well i found out I don't....

2004-10-06 [OrangeFire16]: you know anyone who want to join can ask me too and since [dfafadsfasdasf]'s computer is broken i am temporary leader

2004-10-06 [dr]: i wanna join

2004-10-06 [OrangeFire16]: ok i'll sign you up

2004-10-06 [Leelo]: theres a few more who want to join, but they messaged blackfire66

2004-10-06 [OrangeFire16]: ok, he will answer sometime probably on my compuer though

2004-10-06 [Leelo]: ok cool

2004-10-06 [dr]: :D i am joined!

2004-10-06 [OrangeFire16]: yep

2004-10-06 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: YAY!!! another joiner!!!!

2004-10-06 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: sorry about the whole gf thing cherokee.....i dunno, i know you probibly want to be his friend and be nice, but its not fair to you to be in a relationship you don't want, in a way its not fair to him either, if you don't like him *and this is easer said than done*....you really should break up, or tell him you just want to be friends

2004-10-06 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: he may take it hard, or not, but either way...this too shall pass. You shouldn't degrade yourself and put yourself in that situation if you don't want it.....no one should be forced to do or be anything they don't want, its not good for self esteem or self respect, i'm not trying to make you feel bad, but i've had to go through this, and trust me...its easer to do it now, no matter how deep in you think you are, before it gets to far....trust me

2004-10-06 [Leelo]: Yeah....I guess...

2004-10-06 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: i guess!!!!! i just poured my heart and sould for an "I guess"....tell me though, (and sorry if you said this and i missed it) but what are you going to do? (this sounds pushy, i'm sorry, but its a question we all need to ask ourselves)

2004-10-06 [Leelo]: I will ok, I am, I mean...I am trying do do it very nicely

2004-10-06 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: i know, i fugured that....i'm just saying...don't do what i did, and not say anything before things got uncomfortable

2004-10-06 [Leelo]: Yeah i know...

2004-10-06 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: yeah....so, anydangway...how are you *despite the relationship*

2004-10-06 [Leelo]: fine I am still breathing

2004-10-06 [Lioness123]: everything ok here? you guys sound kinda down...

2004-10-06 [Leelo]: I am ok...

2004-10-06 [Lioness123]: may I offer some advice, cherokee? Don't stay in a loveless relationship. It will only end up hurting the both of you. Believe me, if he really loves you, he'll want you to be happy - even if if that means going on without him

2004-10-06 [Leelo]: Yeah I know... I am working on it...Seriously I am

2004-10-06 [Kurai Tenma]: Well, then new subject anyone??? There are three things a man needs to know to get along: one - "She ain't happy, you ain't happy." two - "Don't tell all that you know." Three- you aren't expecting me to tell all that I know, are you?  Lol. Check out 100 things to survive for a good laugh.

2004-10-06 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: will do....i want a cookie

2004-10-07 [Leelo]: lol I think I read that

2004-10-07 [Kurai Tenma]: You probably have then. What kind of cookie do you want, Hobitz? Chocolate chunk is all I have.

2004-10-07 [Leelo]: YAYAYAYAYAY!@!!!! MY HOTROD IS FIXED!!!!!!!!!!!

2004-10-07 [Kurai Tenma]: good. My car is still crappy... needs sound system.

2004-10-07 [HiddenFire]: That's nothing, one of my speakers is an original and is thusly crap, the other is a busted speaker that we southern-engineered to work in my car. It used to sit in the glove box but now it's sitting on the floor. 92 Geo Metro with crap radio, windows don't roll down, sometimes it won't start, stalls if the air conditioner is on when the engine is idleing... etc... @.@ but it's my car and it gets AWESOME milage. ^_^

2004-10-07 [Snowboarding Hobitz]: my bro just got a new car...it is SWEETNESS!!!

2004-10-07 [Kurai Tenma]: I can't afford a new car, but mine cost $3100 and has just turned over 43,000 miles. Heh.  I hear the mileage, I get 40 or so miles per gallon. All I have is an AM/FM tuner and stock speakers...

2004-10-07 [Lioness123]: wow, thats really cheap for a car with only 40K miles, AND gets 40 mpg! Sheesh...mine had about 60K miles when I got it for $5500, and I get 25 mpg.

2004-10-07 [Kurai Tenma]: Well, some old lady owned it new in '95 and barely drove it. She recently passed away, and her husband couldn't stand to look at it. I was willing to pay more, but he knocked off like $700 when he saw me and said he'd be better off if he was rid of it. And I get good mpg 'cause it's a 5-speed. :P

2004-10-08 [Leelo]: l;mao!! my hotrod happens to be my racing fourwheelr!! YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2004-10-08 [ultra-violence]: NICE WIKI!

2004-10-08 [Leelo]: Yeah, awesome ain't it? blackfire and umm some oen else made the wiki